
The following is a very brief glimpse of my notes. Some speakers I didn't take notes on while others received the opposite.
The real treat will be tomorrows post where I will discuss what happened after the sessions!
Faith and Knowledge
Latter-day Saints in Religious Studies
Harvard Divinity School
February 20-21, 2009
Friday, February 20,2009
Round Table Discussion
Richard Turley and Rondald Walker discussion on Massacre at Mountain Meadows.
One of the most exciting parts of the discussion was that Rick just signed a deal with Oxford to publish the second volume of Massacre at Mountain Meadows. Personally I had a very emotional journey through this event---again. However, the cover-up is what brings my blood to a boil, and I think that is one of the focuses of the second volume.
A guy named Max Muller (sp?) asked several question that IMO accused the two Historians of trying to justify the event by saying two things. 1. These were good people doing bad things. 2. That by discussing the quickly fomenting situation in Utah they were in some way trying to justify, or at the very least minimalize, the responsibility of the Mormons and Indians involved.
To that, I say nonsense. I had to comment to the panel and especially to Max at this point. My first point was that as Historians it was their job to provide context to the event discussed in the book. The evidence is what they followed, not some biased Mormon agenda. Context does not equal an attempt to Justify. Secondly the idea that a good person can do a bad thing, or that a bad person does a bad thing, is an issue left up to philosophers. The philosophical implications of the latter are enormous and it would take an entire day for me and another philosopher to agree on what question we should be asking and how it should be phrased. I think Max was off base.
Nevertheless. it was a wonderful session. Afterwords I got to spend some time talking to Ron Walker. I asked him everything I wanted to know about the "Camelot Days" of Church History, and he answered off the record. (Sorry) But it was an honor that he would be so forthright and honest.
I spent quite a bit of time with Rick (I never thought I would call Richard Turley, "Rick") over the weekend. He was open and honest and always sincere. He is a very genuine guy without an ounce of guile. I asked him about the New Church History Library and I am soooo excited. When asked when it would open, he answered off the record, but it will be soon.
Keynote Speaker : Kathleen Flake, Associate Professor of American Religious History, Vanderbil University, "To Disabuse the Public Mind"
Sione Pauni
P.S. You owe me a discussion on symbolism, rites, and liturgy. :-)
Saturday, February21, 2009
Scripture
The Place of Religious Scholarship in the Church
Gender, Sexuality and Theology
Pluralism
After Bushman finished we hung out in the hall and talked. Then we all went to eat Chinese food together. I sat by Kathleen Flake, Richard Livingston, Chuck (The Blair Doppelganger) Schofield, and Ty Mansfield. Great Conversation!
Big UP!
The Lamanite (Sione)
Round Table Discussion
Richard Turley and Rondald Walker discussion on Massacre at Mountain Meadows.
One of the most exciting parts of the discussion was that Rick just signed a deal with Oxford to publish the second volume of Massacre at Mountain Meadows. Personally I had a very emotional journey through this event---again. However, the cover-up is what brings my blood to a boil, and I think that is one of the focuses of the second volume.
A guy named Max Muller (sp?) asked several question that IMO accused the two Historians of trying to justify the event by saying two things. 1. These were good people doing bad things. 2. That by discussing the quickly fomenting situation in Utah they were in some way trying to justify, or at the very least minimalize, the responsibility of the Mormons and Indians involved.
To that, I say nonsense. I had to comment to the panel and especially to Max at this point. My first point was that as Historians it was their job to provide context to the event discussed in the book. The evidence is what they followed, not some biased Mormon agenda. Context does not equal an attempt to Justify. Secondly the idea that a good person can do a bad thing, or that a bad person does a bad thing, is an issue left up to philosophers. The philosophical implications of the latter are enormous and it would take an entire day for me and another philosopher to agree on what question we should be asking and how it should be phrased. I think Max was off base.
Nevertheless. it was a wonderful session. Afterwords I got to spend some time talking to Ron Walker. I asked him everything I wanted to know about the "Camelot Days" of Church History, and he answered off the record. (Sorry) But it was an honor that he would be so forthright and honest.
I spent quite a bit of time with Rick (I never thought I would call Richard Turley, "Rick") over the weekend. He was open and honest and always sincere. He is a very genuine guy without an ounce of guile. I asked him about the New Church History Library and I am soooo excited. When asked when it would open, he answered off the record, but it will be soon.
Keynote Speaker : Kathleen Flake, Associate Professor of American Religious History, Vanderbil University, "To Disabuse the Public Mind"
- My dear Kathleen. I really like her. I don't think the feeling is reciprocated though. I think she tolerates me, but I still smile when she looks at me disapprovingly. :-)Basically she talked about the tension/conflict between faith and reason. This has long been of interest to me, simply because my goal is to get my soul and my mind in harmony with God. When that happens, I have created an environment for development and revelation.When I wrestle with difficult questions, I wait for those condition to develop. I will study, ponder, and pray. But if no instruction is given, I simply place the issue on my mental shelf of unanswered questions, and then I wait. You see, God has this somewhat irritating habit of doing things according to his time, will, and pleasure. But I'm growing more accustomed to that.Sometimes things come off the shelf, while new issues are placed upon it. Nevertheless, this "conflict" has become familiar. I think Kathleen used a similar sentiment. And so we who question, think, analyze, and deconstruct--waiting and praying for God to send us further light and knowledge, which has been promised; while at the same time being patient and faithful.
Sione Pauni
P.S. You owe me a discussion on symbolism, rites, and liturgy. :-)
Saturday, February21, 2009
Scripture
- Jared Anderson, "Preparing the Path for LDS Biblical Studies" (PhD Candidate, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill------He shared Orson F. Whitney's vision of the Savior. He went on to argue that God will cater and conform to our cultural associations in order to reveal himself and his will in a way that is familiar. Call me old fashioned but the God of the Universe, who also happens to be my creator need not change to meet the cultural norms of my day; Otherwise he would appear to me today as a "Girl Gone Wild". No I think God, through the Spirit, can communicate despite our culture ,race, or gender.
- Scott Davis, "He that Increaseth in Knowledge Increaseth in Sorrow: Vexation and Catharsis in Critical Readings of Later-day Saint Scripture" (MAR Candidate, Yale Divinity School)---no notes
- Justin White, "Ruim and Thummim or a Love Affair: Two Possibilities for LDS Scriptural Hermeneutics: (MA Candidate, Brigham Young University)-- Justin discusses two possible Hermeneutics. Namely, critical and devotional. I can't remember correctly but I think he places these two approaches to scripture at odds with each other. But I distinctly remember thinking the simply wonderful exhortation to seek learning by study and faith. These principles are not mutually exclusive; rather they are complimentary. Justin does make a very useful recommendation. He first makes the observation that many people bring their existing beliefs to the scriptures and look for them to be validated. On the other hand Justin suggest coming to the scriptures with an open heart and mind and allow ourselves to be taught something new. This I think is like having a clean heart; possessing a slate upon which God can write the indelible language of Heaven upon.
- Mark Wright, "Hierophanies and the Omnilingual God: A sociohistorical Critical Approach to LDS Canon (PhD Candidate, University of California, Riverside)-----I like Mark a lot. Last time he spoke I completely misunderstood his message and accused him of presentism. He really knows what he's talking about. The idea of Heirophanies is interesting. I'd like to study more about the differences between Heirophanies and Theophanies.
The Place of Religious Scholarship in the Church
- Matt Bowman, "A Theology of Dissent" (PhD Candidate, Georgetown University)---Dissent within Mormonism goes back to its beginnings. But what is its place in today's Church? Matt poses a great many questions but according to my recollection does not offer solutions or remedies. Indeed there is dissent; one need only look at the recent goings on with Proposition 8. I happen to be one of the dissenters in this issue. I have no venue with which to voice my opposition, at least not without the potential for disciplinary action. So what to do? I say keep my mouth shut, and discuss your dissent quietly amongst like minded individuals. Not the best solution, but at least I provided one. lol
- Richard T. Livingston, "Ontotheology and the Boundary Conditions of Inness" (PhD Student, Claremont Graduate University)------I didn't take many notes on Richards talk. However, outside of the conference we spent a lot of time together discussing a great many things. It was nice to say to him "Richard, do you think an Omniscient God negates free will", and have someone actually understand me, and also have a well thought out response. Richard is disarming in spite of an enormous intellect. I like people like that. He was willing to explain when I lagged behind. A true gentleman with whom I enjoyed plumbing the depths of theology and philosophy.
- Guinevere Woolstenhulme, "serving Up 'Forbidden Fruits': Bringing Our Scholarship Home" (MA 2005, University of California, San Diego/JD Candidate, New England Law)------Guinevere was one of my favorites. Her presentation had real life implications. It was not couched in the abstract. She said something to the effect that the dissonance between faith and scholarship often involves "others". She has question, as have I, about how much I should share with the "others"? I wonder that all the time. My Mom recently was asking me about the Masonic Ritual. Without giving it any though I break out Duncans Ritual. Within this book are certain things that will be familiar to any endowed member of the Church. She was visibly shaken. I could have kicked myself. That was irresponsible. But there is also a time when our families and friends must be invited into our studies and knowledge. I think the only possible answer is to allow the Spirit to lead, guide, and direct us, as we strive forward with an eye single to he glory of God.
- Elizabeth Pinborough, "Christ Doesn't Wear Blue Jeans': Becoming Reconciled to God through Other Critical Perspective (MAR Candidate, Yale Divinity School)-----No Notes.
- Sheila Taylor, "Feminist Theology in a LDS Context" (PhD Candidate, Graduate Theological Union)------I actually enjoyed her presentation the most. She was not so rigid that she wouldn't concede when necessary and still maintain a strong feminist position. She spoke of Heavenly Mother. In my estimation our Heavenly Mother exists without doubt or equivocation. Anything beyond that I must answer "I don't know". And I don't think the first Presidency or the twelve are praying for women to hold the Priesthood, or to further define our Heavenly Mother; so I believe we are on "pause" for awhile.
- Deidre Green, "Selflessness as Sin: Feminis Theology for Latter-day Saint Women" (PhD Student, Claremont Graduate Univesity)-----Pretty much disagreed with everything she said. But she's extremely nice. I had a chance to talk briefly with her after her presentation. I think if we had a one on one dialogue it would help us understand each other better.
- Kate Holbrook, "Mormonist Feminism: An Apologia" (PhD Canidate, Boston University)---- Not present for this talk but I heard it was awsome. Perhaps Life on Gold Plates will have some notes.
Gender, Sexuality and Theology
- Gwedolyn Reynolds, "On Being a Mormon Man: The Performance of Mormon Maculinity" (MTS Candidate, Harvard Divinity School)----This girl had a lot of spunk. She talked so fast that sometimes I missed the weight of what she said. I asked for her notes but she said no, they weren't finished. Oh well. One of the things that she said is that men must possess feminine qualities (mercy, love, caring, empathy, nurturing) while exercising the Priesthood. I had two questions I never got answered. 1. What are the implications of these feminie qualities being made made manifest while officiating in the Priesthood. And also, I disagree that these are feminine qualities; I think they are Christ like qualities. Overall I really like her presentation. She's very cute but to tell her so would drive the feminist in her crazy. At one point we were both standing and I offered to get her a chair. She said that was sexist. I thought her reaction was extreme. Anyway she seems very nice, despite her inability to accept a kind gesture.
- Ty Mansfield, "postmodernism in the Service of Orthodoxy? How Queer Theology, Systems Theory, and Social Constructionism Can Inform Latter-day Saint Thought on Gender and Sexuality" (M. MFT Student, Abilene Christian University)-----No notes
- Carl Cranney, "The LDS Agument Against Hoosexual Marriage: Not a House of Cards, But Not Built on a Rock Either" (PhD Student, Catholic University of America)------ Carl does a good job at building a case. It was a bit abstract and required more than a few mental gymnastics to get to where we were going, but it was a decent attempt. I think I have a better solution which is more succinct, direct, and honest. It has nothing to do with the basic unit of the family, or anthing of that nature. My answer is that it is wrong. That's it. I think it's wrong because my interpretation of Holy scripture teaches me that God thinks it wrong. And so I follow the counsel of God and his Prophets and Apostles. I'm sick of this erosion of the moral fabric....blah blah blah argument. So in the end I think Homosexuals who practice homosexuality are committing a sin. However, I don't thing that should prevent them from getting married.
Pluralism
- Michael Ing, "Pluralistic Perspectives on Ritual Practice" (PhD Candidate, Harvard University)----- The one thing I rember about Michael, well there's actually two, First is that He's Hawaiian, the second is his talk about "open inclusiveness" This is something I'm very interested in. A good portion of my being is pluralistic or universalist. And so I usually include and accept everyone. What are the theological implications of this type of pluralism. I say confidently that the the greatest outcome will be positive realtions and growth. There is only one caveat in my own life, and that is that I don't concede any of the basic tenets of the Gospel. The Gospel message of the restoration is what separates us from mainstream Christianity and should be protected. So I say let us work towards an ecumenical brotherhood; but never at the expense of our own theology.
- David Golding, "missiology, Pluralism, and the Expansion of Mormonism" (MA Candidate, Claremont Grduate University)-----No notes
- Chuck Schofield, "Defining Mormon Pluralism" (PhD Student, Claremont Graduate University)----No Notes. However, I got to sit next to him durin dinner and he's good people. He doesn't say much, but when he does speak, it's both poignant and/or funny. I like the Chuck.
After Bushman finished we hung out in the hall and talked. Then we all went to eat Chinese food together. I sat by Kathleen Flake, Richard Livingston, Chuck (The Blair Doppelganger) Schofield, and Ty Mansfield. Great Conversation!
Big UP!
The Lamanite (Sione)





2 comments:
Thanks for the write up. Sounds like a great time.
so here i sit...in even more awe of your intellect and drive for understanding and spiritualism....you leave the rest of us in the dust.....
It is people like you and your sweet family, that make the rest of us strive to be better!!!
And now I have even a longer list of nooks to try and read and understand from.....
I miss your family around the neighborhood and just being able to chat and be enlightened....
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