
The epitome of Scholastic
I like it. I like it a lot!
I like it. I like it a lot!
I've recently recommended Armand Mauss' book The Angel and the Beehive, The Mormon Struggle with Assimilation, to several people. So I decided to give it a read again.
The first time through it I thought Mauss was a Godsend to Mormon Scholarship--a man whose ideas were beyond refute. I still think he is a brilliant scholar. But my views on this book changed.
This time through I felt as if the book had been sanitized by extra strength Scholarship at the expense of God. How can one make a sociological study of the Mormonism's place and assimilation into society without taking into account that some of the shifts it is making are a direct result of Gods revelations to his Prophets?
If survival is the first task of the movement [Mormonism], the natural and inevitable response of the host society is either to domesticate the movement or to destroy it. In seeking to domesticate or assimilate it, the society will apply various kinds of social control pressures selectively in an effort to force the movement to abandon at least its most unique and threatening features. pg 4
I agree with this assessment. I think Polygamy would be the most notable example. But then he goes on to say:
...To the extent that the society succeeds in this domestication effort, the result will be the eventual assimilation of the movement. Failing to achieve sufficient domestication, the host society will eventually resort to the only alternative: Persecution and repression" pg. 4
Now we all know that 19th Century Americans did in fact persecute and repress, but to what avail? Each time the refiners fire was lit, the Saints emerged a more determined God fearing people than before. They did now cow tow to every whim of society.
The logical extreme of either of these two societal responses (assimilation or repression) is, of course, oblivion for the movement...the "natural history" of the interaction between radical social movements and their host societies...movements must either submit to assimilation in important respects or be destroyed. pg 5
Nonsense. If God be with us, who can be against us? The abandonment of extreme religious practices were not done as a concession to the United States; rather doctrinal practices abandoned or evolved are merely evidence to me that God leads and guides the Church through his Son Jesus Christ and inspired leaders.
Mauss makes the point that until the 50' and 60' the Church was in the phase of assimilation. But an organization can oscillate between acceptance and rejection as long as the tension is not stretched too far.
Enter stage right: J. Reuben Clark. Mauss states, "Much of the significance of President clarks appointment lies in the fortuitous demise at about the same time of some of the great minds of the church who had been proponents of quite a different leadership orientation from his- e.g. B.H. Roberts, James Talmage, and Anthony Ivins." (ibid pg80)
The esoteric value of this statement is that intellectuals are liberal trouble makers and the conservative and eloquent President Clark was there to steady the ark. Rubbish. Clark was a man of God who was called and prepared to do His will. The idea that he woke up and thought, "Whoa, we've drifted too far into the assimilation continuum, we must begin a plan of retrenchment so as to maintain our unique identity", is laughable, IMO. To be fair, I don't think Mauss directly states this. But using some of my own hyperbole I don't think I'm far off the mark.
The plan for retrenchment had its beginnings while President Grant lay incapacitated, and Clark called Harold B. Lee, Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, and Mark E. Petersen. He call 3 of the 4 "Clark men" while the other is obviously a "McKay man". lol
Finally he lists the "Five Major Thrusts of Retrenchment"
we can see that the "leadership in more recent years...reassert the distinguishing features of the Mormon heritage, almost as if to declare, "Assimilation has gone far enough. Let's start remembering the things that have made us a peculiar people." Five of these initiatives, in particular, seem especially apparent and worthy of review here:" (pg. 85)
1. Renewed assertion of the claim of continuous revelation through modern prophets
2. Renewed emphasis on temples, temple work, and genealogical research.
3. Expansion and standardization of the missionary enterprise
4. Family renewal and retrenchment
5. Expansion of formal religious education in the service of parochial indoctrination.
Perhaps some of you would like to comment on the alleged "retrenchment" operations of the Church, or Mauss in general.
Mauss has written some amazing things on blacks and the ban on the Priesthood. I really like him. I thought I liked this book. Every time I re-read a book it seems as if a little troll keeps adding and removing things that were or were not there before. Perhaps I'm different and so the book seems different? Nah, I'm sure it's a troll.
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11 comments:
So in your view the Church is not influenced by its cultural context?
The Church? Yes.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ? No.
How about you? Opinion?
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The Lamanite
I'm not sure a clear distinction can be made between the Church and the Gospel.
If we take the Gospel as the Standard Works, each text is embedded in and even shaped by its cultural context. IMO these are not "pure" works, in the sense that they are translated, redacted, and interpreted, thereby already being one step (or many steps) removed from God.
If we take the Gospel as the "truths" conveyed by the Standard Works or the prophets, then I would say that we can posit that the Gospel is not influenced by cultural context, but any act of interpretation, which is part and parcel of being human, necessarily contextualizes. So in this view the Gospel may be beyond influence of culture, but we as cultural beings cannot know it
IMO, the Institution of the Church is the structure or vehicle God uses for the dissemination of the Gospel.
You made the assertion that the Gospel equals the Standard Works. That is incorrect, IMO. The Gospel can be found within the Standard Works.
Perhaps I'm not understanding the first post and question?
To be sure, the conveyance of the Gospel by men is influenced by their culture, weaknesses, personality traits etc. But regardless of their weaknesses of men (see title page of the BoM) the Gospel remains pure, and our reception and understanding of the Gospel remains pure, especially when aided by the influence of the Holy Spirit.
Gospel=
Jesus died for your sins.
If you repent he will forgive.
I'm not sure how cultural influence or contextualization of the way writer communicates the Gospel negatively impacts the that specific message in the Standard works. It seems to come through regardless of race, time, or author.
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Lamanite
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Lamanite
I sure wish I would start proof reading these damn posts, or that I had an edit option within this page
:-(
Allow me to clarify a bit.
I wasn't asserting that the Standard Works was the Gospel, but rather that no matter what we take as the Gospel it requires context.
We can posit that certain "pure" truths are delivered by contextualized items such as the Standard Works (or prophets), but when those truths are expressed they are by definition expressed in cultural terms and require interpretation; both of which I take as forms of "contextualization".
This relates to the post in that it is impossible to say that revelations such as the ending of polygamy are not products of their context. This is not to say, however, that they are only products of their context. We should believe that God was highly (but not singly) involved.
I was thinking that I should perhaps also add an example. If we take your notion of the Gospel as:
Jesus died for your sins.
If you repent he will forgive.
This requires a number of contextualizations. 1) How this information is received must be expressed to us. If a prophet received a revelation, his expression of that revelation is mediated by his subjective position within his culture. 2) What do these statements mean? Interpreting them happens from a particular cultural context which we cannot remove ourselves from.
Hopefully this is a helpful illustration
I completely agree with you. The cultural, contextual, experiential aspects of an individual are brought into the equation the minute any information is presented.
But what does that mean? Does it mean that Jesus lived and died for us, but the reality of that absolute truth, can be completely subjective, thus rendering its reality dependent upon the individuals life experience, culture, interpretation, et al.?
That was the best run on sentence I've ever written. lol
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Lamanite
PS I don't know if you're "handle" is familiar for Bob or if we've had discussions before?
I don't think that necessarily means that we have to choose either pure absolute truth (objectivity) OR pure subjective experience (subjectivity). In short I don't believe it's an all or nothing situation.
I don't have much time today to elaborate, or over the next week really, but if you're interested a great book on this topic (which may require significant modification from an LDS perspective) is Bernstein, Richard J. Beyond Objectivism and Relativism: Science, Hermeneutics, and Praxis. Oxford: B. Blackwell, 1983.
SmallAxe does in fact come from Bob's attempt to side-step the "big three" recording studios who were jostling for his business. I blog over at http://faithpromotingrumor.wordpress.com feel free to come over some time.
Here’s a million dollar question – If you were to die right now, would you qualify for the celestial kingdom? If you’re like many Mormons, you’re not sure. You try hard to be as good as possible, but you still don’t know if you’ve done enough. If the Book of Mormon is really scripture, this hope will always elude you. Alma 11:37 says God cannot save you in your sins. Are all of your sins forgiven? Moroni 10:32 says you must be perfected in Christ, which can only be done by denying yourself of “all ungodliness”. Have you done that? Do you repent on a regular basis? Is so, then it is clear that you sin on a regular basis, since only those who break the commandments need to repent. 1 Nephi 3:7 states that you are able to keep His commandments. In fact according to D&C 25:15, you are required to keep them continually! Since you haven’t done this so far, why assume you will in the future? Of course, we should all try to be holy; but if you think that sinning less will qualify you to live in God’s presence, you are mistaken (Gal 3:1-11). The assumption that good works are required for forgiveness only cheapens Christ’s atonement, making it nothing more than a partial payment. God chooses to justify us by faith. Jesus alone does the “perfecting” (Heb 10:14). God gives peace to those who trust in Him alone. If you don’t have this peace, it’s probably because at least a part of you trusts in yourself. Questions? Visit us at www.gotforgiveness.com
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